Comments on: New member - Rice Starch?

By: Millard Hahn

Millard Hahn — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:30:38 +0000

Yes, it’s all part of wellness. People assume psoriasis and eczema are "skin"
issues when they are whole person issues. Network SPinal Analysis or a good
holistic chiropractor can help with this. Misalignments in the bodys structure
can cause physical pain as well as energy blockages and congestion that can lead
to all sorts of problems. Thanks for the heads up on the book.
Carisa

By: Millard Hahn

Millard Hahn — Sun, 11 Sep 2005 00:31:21 +0000

Yes, I do. I can’t believe they don’t have the ingredients listed! They are
redesigning their site, so maybe they just haven’t posted it yet. Here’s the
list of ingredients for both:

Desert Flower: organic aloe vera, coco polyglucose (more on this below), yucca
schidigera extract, pro vitamin B5, organic safflower oil, organic avocado oil,
non-GMO xantham gum, lime essential oil, citric acid, , organic horsetail
extract, organic nettle extract, organic burdock extract, organic rosemary
extract, organic sage extract, organic tea tree essential oil

Lemon Myrtle: organic aloe vera, coco polyglucose, organic bitter orange
extract, pro vitamin B5, organic grapefruit seed extract, non-GMO xantham gum,
organic lemon myrtle essential oil, citri acid, organic horsetail extract,
organic nettle extract, organic burdock extract, organic rosemary extract,
organic sage extract.

Here’s what Miessence says about the coco polyglucose:
Coco Polyglucose
Coco polyglucose is a "non-ionic surfactant" (foaming agent) synthesized from
fatty alcohols from coconut and glucose from corn. Coco polyglucose has
excellent dermatological compatibility (i.e. it is very mild on the skin). Based
on the Duhring Chamber Test it has the lowest irritation score of all common
surfactants tested. It is free from ethylene oxide (which can cause nitrosamine
contamination) and free from preservatives.
It has low environmental impact due to:
1. high biodegradability (breaks down readily)
2. high eco-toxicological compatibility (doesn’t harm the environment if
released)
3. it manufactured from completely renewable vegetable raw materials
Having praised it’s virtues, we still feel it is an "undesirable" in our range
of certified organic raw materials, and we eventually hope to replace with the
certified organic “foaming agent” of similar functionality.

Let me know if you have any more questions about the products. I’ve tried lots
of them! I use both shampoos. I mainly use the Lemon Myrtle because I tend to
have an oily scalp and it keeps my hair and scalp really clean without drying it
out and causing the oil glands to secrete even more. I use the Desert Flower for
those times when my hair gets dry (winter, swimming in the ocean, sun exposure,
etc) and sometimes I use Desert Flower on my ends and the Lemon Myrtle on my
scalp. I like having both so I can tweak exactly how much moisturization I get
with each shampoo. I rarely use conditioner (I do a deep condition about twice a
month with the Shine Herbal conditioner and a little coconut oil along with an
essential oil blend I rub on my scalp) except for the B5 spray, which I use
after each shampoo and before heat styling. It’s so light that you won’t feel it
in your hair, but it’s so rich in B5 and other good things that it really makes
a difference. I have very curly, coarse hair
that tends to be frizzy, and the Miessence line has really made my hair softer
and much easier to manage.

HTH!

Carisa

p.s.- In case you’re thinking of using castile soap or some other natural form
of shampoo (washing soda, borax, etc), DON’T. Take it from me, you will regret
it. The film left behind is really intolerable. Unless your hair is very, very
short, it simply won’t work. I have tried Terressentials shampoo as well and
found it very drying to the scalp, but not really good at getting all the dirt
out of my hair. I feel that even though coco polyglucose is not an organic
substance, it is certainly a reasonable choice, especially when they are
absolutely NO other chemicals in my home.

Thanks so much!

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Thanks for the book references. I haven’t read Healing Psoriasis, the
Natural Alternative, so I will look for that one. Thanks. I have read
Russell Blaylock’s book Excitotoxins, The Taste That Kills and found it very
interesting and informative. I’ve been very careful for the past 5 years or
so to avoid excitotoxins in the many forms they are hidden in our foods. I
generally don’t buy prepacked prepared stuffs, but every so often I have
found that it "slips" into my diet anyway! Not often, but one example is I
was occasionally eating proscuito from Whole Foods Market’s specialty
section where they slice the meat for you. I inadvertently found out that
in the processing of it, they added "natural flavoring." Ack! That really
disappointed me! That was about a year ago now. Aside from that product, I
feel fairly confident that I’m no longer ingesting a lot of those
excitotoxins in packaged foods. Hopefully, none. Practically everything I
buy is fresh–not canned or prepackaged. Other than growing the stuff on my
own, I "think" I’m pretty clear of industrially manufactured excitotoxins.
Oh, one thing though is that I noticed that the shampoo I use (Aubrey
Organics) and well as a lot of other shampoos contains "soy protein" which
may contain some type of excitotoxin. Not sure if using it topically on the
skin would be the same as eating it? Otherwise, I don’t know what else to
wash my hair with.

I’m considering the meditation thing, too. I’ve tried it in the past
half-heartedly, so I really should give it another go.

Oh, wait, just the other day I picked up a book called Sugars that Heal by
Emil Mondoa, M.D. It discusses the importance of 8 essential saccharides
for proper immune function. I’m not finished with the book yet, but it’s
looking very compelling as far as something to try. I think Carisa may have
mentioned aloe vera in the past which is one of the sources for these
saccharides. But if you don’t react well to aloe, I believe there are other
sources.

Thanks again, and good luck to you!

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Maria,
I read your post ref vegan/raw diet/and wheat sprouts,
and admire your perseverence in giving it an honest
try. Two books got me interested in the possibility of
certain foods causing my dermatitis problem (chronic
eczema vs psoriasis):
1. Excitotoxins: The Taste that Kills by Dr. Russell
L. Blaylock. This book focuses on the glumatic acid
factor (MSG) and how pervasive free glutamic acid is
in out diet and how it affects all aspects of our
physiology.
2. Helaing Psoriasis, the Natural Alternative, by Dr.
John Pagano. Outlines over 30 years of evaluating the
causes of psoriasis; has recommendations for you to
consider.

Both books are available at Borders; in my case they
were not on the shelf and took less than a week to
have them ordered for my review.

I am still in the throes of mapping out a strategy for
myself and was even evaluating Mind-Tek and their
ultra-meditation CDs. Of course, every web link leads
one to other links, so it’s a challenge to sort
through all the information and decide on which
direction you want to pursue with one objective–to
get rid of your psoriasis and enjoy a better
lifestyle.
Thanks for sharing,
Ching

By: Freddie Skinner

Freddie Skinner — Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:09:02 +0000

HI Carisa! Thanks for the link. I’d like to try their shampoo, but wanted
to see the ingredients to their shampoo first. I didn’t see it on the
website. Do you perhaps have a bottle on hand that you could post the
ingredients for us? Or is it on the site, but I just missed it?

Thanks so much!

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Thanks for the book references. I haven’t read Healing Psoriasis, the
Natural Alternative, so I will look for that one. Thanks. I have read
Russell Blaylock’s book Excitotoxins, The Taste That Kills and found it very
interesting and informative. I’ve been very careful for the past 5 years or

so to avoid excitotoxins in the many forms they are hidden in our foods. I
generally don’t buy prepacked prepared stuffs, but every so often I have
found that it "slips" into my diet anyway! Not often, but one example is I
was occasionally eating proscuito from Whole Foods Market’s specialty
section where they slice the meat for you. I inadvertently found out that
in the processing of it, they added "natural flavoring." Ack! That really
disappointed me! That was about a year ago now. Aside from that product, I
feel fairly confident that I’m no longer ingesting a lot of those
excitotoxins in packaged foods. Hopefully, none. Practically everything I
buy is fresh–not canned or prepackaged. Other than growing the stuff on my
own, I "think" I’m pretty clear of industrially manufactured excitotoxins.
Oh, one thing though is that I noticed that the shampoo I use (Aubrey
Organics) and well as a lot of other shampoos contains "soy protein" which
may contain some type of excitotoxin. Not sure if using it topically on the
skin would be the same as eating it? Otherwise, I don’t know what else to
wash my hair with.

I’m considering the meditation thing, too. I’ve tried it in the past
half-heartedly, so I really should give it another go.

Thanks again, and good luck to you!

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Both books are available at Borders; in my case they
were not on the shelf and took less than a week to
have them ordered for my review.

By: Millard Hahn

Millard Hahn — Fri, 09 Sep 2005 15:11:44 +0000

Thanks for the book references. I haven’t read Healing Psoriasis, the
Natural Alternative, so I will look for that one. Thanks. I have read
Russell Blaylock’s book Excitotoxins, The Taste That Kills and found it very
interesting and informative. I’ve been very careful for the past 5 years or
so to avoid excitotoxins in the many forms they are hidden in our foods. I
generally don’t buy prepacked prepared stuffs, but every so often I have
found that it "slips" into my diet anyway! Not often, but one example is I
was occasionally eating proscuito from Whole Foods Market’s specialty
section where they slice the meat for you. I inadvertently found out that
in the processing of it, they added "natural flavoring." Ack! That really
disappointed me! That was about a year ago now. Aside from that product, I
feel fairly confident that I’m no longer ingesting a lot of those
excitotoxins in packaged foods. Hopefully, none. Practically everything I
buy is fresh–not canned or prepackaged. Other than growing the stuff on my
own, I "think" I’m pretty clear of industrially manufactured excitotoxins.

Oh, one thing though is that I noticed that the shampoo I use (Aubrey
Organics) and well as a lot of other shampoos contains "soy protein" which
may contain some type of excitotoxin. Not sure if using it topically on the
skin would be the same as eating it? Otherwise, I don’t know what else to
wash my hair with.

I’m considering the meditation thing, too. I’ve tried it in the past
half-heartedly, so I really should give it another go.

Thanks again, and good luck to you!

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Both books are available at Borders; in my case they
were not on the shelf and took less than a week to
have them ordered for my review.

By: Freddie Skinner

Freddie Skinner — Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:29:21 +0000

Hi Ching:

Thanks for the book references. I haven’t read Healing Psoriasis, the
Natural Alternative, so I will look for that one. Thanks. I have read
Russell Blaylock’s book Excitotoxins, The Taste That Kills and found it very
interesting and informative. I’ve been very careful for the past 5 years or
so to avoid excitotoxins in the many forms they are hidden in our foods. I
generally don’t buy prepacked prepared stuffs, but every so often I have
found that it "slips" into my diet anyway! Not often, but one example is I
was occasionally eating proscuito from Whole Foods Market’s specialty
section where they slice the meat for you. I inadvertently found out that
in the processing of it, they added "natural flavoring." Ack! That really
disappointed me! That was about a year ago now. Aside from that product, I
feel fairly confident that I’m no longer ingesting a lot of those
excitotoxins in packaged foods. Hopefully, none. Practically everything I

buy is fresh–not canned or prepackaged. Other than growing the stuff on my
own, I "think" I’m pretty clear of industrially manufactured excitotoxins.
Oh, one thing though is that I noticed that the shampoo I use (Aubrey
Organics) and well as a lot of other shampoos contains "soy protein" which
may contain some type of excitotoxin. Not sure if using it topically on the
skin would be the same as eating it? Otherwise, I don’t know what else to
wash my hair with.

I’m considering the meditation thing, too. I’ve tried it in the past
half-heartedly, so I really should give it another go.

Thanks again, and good luck to you!

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Both books are available at Borders; in my case they
were not on the shelf and took less than a week to
have them ordered for my review.

By: Sharron Roberson

Sharron Roberson — Thu, 08 Sep 2005 05:45:36 +0000

Both books are available at Borders; in my case they
were not on the shelf and took less than a week to
have them ordered for my review.

By: Freddie Skinner

Freddie Skinner — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:30:04 +0000

Hi Carisa:

Thanks again for being so helpful! I really appreciate all your insight and
effort in trying to help us.

Regarding sprouts, yes, I’ve tried that but reacted badly, so had to stop.
The recipes were tasty, tho! I was using recipes from Rita Romano’s book
Dining in the Raw. I have gone the vegan route for 2 solid years with 3
months of it completely raw. But it was really hard for me to go completely
raw that 3 months because I really really wanted something warm and plus I
lost a lot of weight! I’m currently about 112lbs and I know I dropped below
110 lbs during that 3 months. (before then I was about 120-125lbs). I
juiced for about 3 years with carrots, beets, various greens, etc. and also
tried juicing wheatgrass and doing dry skin brushing. That was a nightmare!
I probably only did the wheatgrass for about a months or so(if even that

long), and I broke out all over my body! Even in places where I never broke
out before! It took me about a year to get back to where I was before that.
Those kinds of experiences is what makes people like me vary wary of trying
things–it’s scary! It’s not like it always heals over the weekend! Well,
that was about 3 years ago, maybe my immune system was weaker back then. If
this mineral supplementation doesn’t fully work, then I may try the sprouts
again. Some people think that eczema is an autoimmune condition. I wonder
if it is possible that the sprouts somehow boosted my immune system which
was faulty to start with? Not sure. Maybe I’m totally in left field on
that one.

I’d be interested to know if anyone else with eczema or psoriasis reacted
badly to sprouts? I’ve read that alfalfa is contraindicated for autoimmune
conditions. I ate them anyway at that time. . .

Thanks again,

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Marla,
You are SOOOO right about our soil being depleted. Most fruits and veggies
now are almost worthless, nutritionally. After all, a plant can only be as
nutrient dense as the soil it’s grown in….they can’t materialize vitamins
from thin air! Well, sprouts don’t need soil at first, but a growing plant
will. I buy all my produce organic and even grow some stuff in the yard in
summer to help with the cost. Organic produce can be expensive, but it’s
cheaper than being sick! Just don’t forget the emotional side of this while
you are doing so well with the physical (foods). That is where all
conditions truly begin. I can’t say enough about this meditation program,
and there are a host of other ways to heal your mind/energy centers. We wear
our emotions on our skin and skin is a mirror into the health of the other
organs.
Have you tried sprouting? They are among the most nutrient dense (including
minerals) foods around, and soo cheap and soo easy to grow. You could eat a
handful of sprouts when you take your minerals and it will help them to be
better absorbed. Good ones are sesame, alfalfa, green lentils and mung bean,
but anything is good. What’s best is you eat them raw and FRESH, so you get
all the nutrients. Go to www.sproutpeople.com if anyone is interested in
learning more. They even have the nutrient profiles for each kind of sprout
and an amazingly delicious chocolate torte recipe…..we’re talking heavenly
I have one in my freezer right now and I think I might have to go pay Mr
Torte a little visit I wish you the best and I really hope whatever protocol you decide to follow
works for you!

Haven’t tried the rice starch, tho. Sorry.

Marla

——-Original Message——-

Thanks to Carisa for her insight and to Kira,
gearhead, and DavidA for sharing their problems and
experiences.

First, I tried spirulina when it was a fad in
California in 1991 and it caused my dermatitis to
really flare up for 3-4 months; in 1955 I tried wading
in the ocean salt while assigned to Panama, and in
1980, bathed in the Dead Sea when I was assigned to
Israel and both experiences with salt solutions were
not positive for me.

My experience is, our physiological and genetic make
up is unique to each individual, and things that work
for one person doesn’t work for another, so if you’re
going to try something for the first time, ease into
it to make sure your system can tolerate it.

Eczema can be caused by numerous things including
environmental, such as "contact" dermatitis
(allergies) or internal (foods, see web link
www.msgmyth.com). But, for now, I am going to help my
own bout with eczema by trying stress reduction
techniques whatever they are (Caris recommended
Ultramedication programs-I will look into that).
Regarding the use of rice starch, I have not used it,
but have tried Aveeno, a substance derived from
oatmeal and used in a bath to quiet flare-ups, with
some success.
Regards,
viet_vet

By: Sharron Roberson

Sharron Roberson — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:46:04 +0000

Regarding food and eczema. I went to Walter Reed Army
Hospital for a dermatology appointment today and asked
the doctors if they believed there was any connection
between eczema and monosodium glutamate which is in
many, many foods and the response was no. However,
please go to the web site, www.msgmyth.com and scan
through the discussion to determine whether or not you
agree with those who claim their eczema was helped
through avoiding msg food products. Although the FDA
and some universities have given msg a clean bill of
health, there remains some doubt. What is lacking is
substantive clinical trials to eliminate the tie
between msg and eczema. I bring this up to broaden you
horizon since chronic eczema is worthy of some cure.
Ching L

By: Millard Hahn

Millard Hahn — Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:12:42 +0000

Be careful taking just snippets of things that people said! I regretted taking
my spirulina TOO FAST. It is very cleansing and you have to go slow in order to
allow the toxins and heavy metals in the bloodstream to be eliminated at a pace
that your organs can handle. I attached a chart to help you get started. Let me
know if you have any problems veiwing the attachment. Hemp oil is available at
better health food stores or online at www.nutiva.com. I wouldn’t use any other
brand as hemp oil has to be carefully processed and handled with care so that it
doesn’t oxidize and lose nutrient value.
Also, when I started on spirulina, I was 10 pounds UNDER weight. It will not
force your body to drop fat that it doesn’t need to….it simply helps balance
the body and encourage it to reduce unwanted fat stores. I actually gained some
good lean muscle mass after eating it for a while. Many body builders use it for
a clean protein supplement to BUILD muscle. Don’t worry about dropping weight if
you don’t have any excess. There is nothing to fear as long as you go slow and
let your body adjust.

Good luck!
Carisa
p.s.- What brand did you get? Some brands smell gross (fishy, putrid) or have a
salt water taste. Don’t be discouraged if you bought a nasty tasting/smelling
brand. There are better ones out there!

Spirulina Start-up Guide

Because Spirulina has an incredible cleansing effect, it is important that you
start slowly. Everyone responds to Spirulina`s cleansing properties differently,
depending on their state of health and dietary history. Gradually work up to
your target amount over a period of days/weeks. If you go too fast or don’t
drink enough water, you may feel a mild “cleansing reaction”. Symptoms of this
reaction can include mild headache or body ache, upset stomach, constipation or
diarrhea. These responses happen to less than 10% of the people who begin to use
Spirulina and are not indicative of an allergic reaction. The cleansing response
is a sure sign that Spirulina has begun its job of assisting the body’s natural
cleansing process by taking toxins trapped in the body tissues and moving them
into the bloodstream for elimination. Remember, the condition of your blood
determines how you feel, so when all those toxins are suddenly dumped into the
bloodstream, you may feel a little lousy. This
only happens to a small percentage of people, and it won’t happen at all if you
gradually increase the amount you eat to the recommended 10-25 grams a day. I
eat 18-25 grams a day! It’s so beneficial and nutritious, why not? Here is a
chart of one way you can gradually get started. Of course, listen to your body.
You may be able to go a little faster, or you may need even more time to detox.
Just remember to drink half your body weight in ounces (if you weigh 150 lbs,
drink 75 ounces) of purified water each day.

Cleansing responses are a very positive process, and are generally a sign that
you are getting benefit from Spirulina. If you are following the chart below and
still experiencing discomfort, you may reduce your intake while increasing the
amount of liquids, fiber and exercise. Dry brushing the skin and taking Dead Sea
salt or moor baths also helps the cleansing process. Here is a guide for
beginning with Spirulina:

Day

Morning

Evening

1/2 teaspoon

(none)

1/2 teaspoon

1 teaspoon

1/2 teaspoon

1 teaspoon

1 1/2 teaspoons

2 teaspoons

1 1/2 teaspoons

2 teaspoons

This will bring you to a target amount of 12 grams a day (1 teaspoon = 3 grams).
I feel this is a good amount to start with. You may add more as you begin to
feel the benefits of Spirulina, and you may also take it all at once rather than
twice a day once you reach the target amount. You can take it all at once in a
smoothie as a meal replacement. You can take it 20 minutes before a meal to
reduce your appetite and avoid overeating. You may also take it all before
bedtime if you don’t want to decrease your appetite at all. You can take it any
way you please as long as you DO IT! Good luck, and congratulations on choosing
the worlds most perfect food!

Note: If you take 10 grams a day, a 16oz jar will last about 45 days. If you
take 12 grams daily, a 16oz will last about 38 days.

Thanks for replies, i´d like to address a few things. Hope you don´t
mind me snipping up a few quotes from different posts.

> Ching L Lee wrote:
> spirulina caused my dermatitis to really flare up for 3-4 months;

Carisa Holmes wrote:
> spirulina. Boy, did I regret it.

Yesterday i went out to 4 different Natural Products stores. It was
depressing. None of the people in these stores have ever heard of
Hemp Oil, they looked at me as if i were speaking greek. Nobody had
any rice starch either, but one lady did in fact guarantee me by the
end of the month they´d have it. So i got some Spirulina and some
Fish Oil. Now i´m worried. How should i dose the Spirulina? Another
thing that worried me was the the lady at the shop were i bought the
spirulina said it was used also to loose weight. Now i´m a VERY
skinny guy, the last thing i want is to loose weight! What´s the
deal…

> Ching L Lee wrote:
>salt solutions were not positive for me.

I like the ocean but unfortunately for the past 5 years i haven´t
been able to set foot on a beach. The salt water will make my sking
BURN in seconds and as it dries off it gets worse and worse. Every
christmas my family meets by the beach and i end up sitting at home
for hours at an end while they swim in the ocean. As for the Dead
Sea salt, from what i read it´s not like regular sea salt at all,
still interesting to see it doesn´t work for everybody. My first
reaction when i read about Dead Sea salt was "salt?! are they
nuts?!".

The food/diet issue is still very confusing to me. I´ve never had
allergies to food in my life, i never liked milk or peppers but i´m
not really alergic to them. That´s why i´m assuming perhaps my
problem might be related to the Leaky Gut. I know i need a diet
change but it´s proving to be harder than i imagined. For one thing
it has to be sustainable (have to be able to afford it, have to be
able to find the foods with relative ease (can´t have it being
shipped up from the USA all the time), and they have to ‘feel’
right. There are so many diets with so many different "no no´s" i
really don´t know how to start.

Here´s a quote from a page i found recently -

"However there are only a few skin conditions that can genuinely be
said to be caused by diet and eczema is NOT one of them. The link is
fairly obvious in the case of a food allergy - when the food that
causes an allergy is eaten the symptoms that are far more likely are
vomiting, abdominal pain, diarrhoea, tingling of the mouth,
dizziness or collapse in severe cases. A skin reaction can be seen
in food allergy when it appears as an itchy rash with wheals over
the body and tongue and facial swelling."

Oh btw, thanks for the link www.msgmyth.com link, i hadn´t heard
about it yet. Yet on more diet to add to the list! no-no for
monosodium glutamate, check.

DavidA

By: Neva Marjory

Neva Marjory — Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:52:21 +0000

Thanks for replies, i´d like to address a few things. Hope you don´t
mind me snipping up a few quotes from different posts.

> Ching L Lee wrote:
> spirulina caused my dermatitis to really flare up for 3-4 months;

Carisa Holmes wrote:
> spirulina. Boy, did I regret it.

Yesterday i went out to 4 different Natural Products stores. It was
depressing. None of the people in these stores have ever heard of
Hemp Oil, they looked at me as if i were speaking greek. Nobody had
any rice starch either, but one lady did in fact guarantee me by the
end of the month they´d have it. So i got some Spirulina and some
Fish Oil. Now i´m worried. How should i dose the Spirulina? Another

thing that worried me was the the lady at the shop were i bought the
spirulina said it was used also to loose weight. Now i´m a VERY
skinny guy, the last thing i want is to loose weight! What´s the
deal…

> Ching L Lee wrote:
>salt solutions were not positive for me.

Here´s a quote from a page i found recently -

Oh btw, thanks for the link www.msgmyth.com link, i hadn´t heard
about it yet. Yet on more diet to add to the list! no-no for
monosodium glutamate, check.

DavidA